Dublin Central Sinn Féin Fundraiser

by Bean DeValera Fri Jul 28, 2006 20:30

I saw denis donaldson on tv saying he was not a spy. I did not believe him.
Nicky got the boot because his image was 'old school' and not in keeping with wanna-be Fianna Failers.....!
Blaney is back,,,how soon before Mary Loo sees the error of her ways.

by SR Fri Jul 28, 2006 15:47

anyone with doubts about Nicky's position could just have gone to the selection convention. There they would have seen with their own eyes him nominating Mary Lou and explaining why he was doing so.

by Sheepstealer Fri Jul 28, 2006 00:45

The only possible way Sinn Féin Nua could convince the constituents of Dublin Central that Cllr. Nicky Kehoe nominated Mary Lou Mac Donald MEP (and did so of his own volition) would be to do the following:

1) have them filmed meeting in dark secluded corner in a hotel lounge near Leinster House, laughing and joking, then quickly inform high profile media and when media tv arrive, they can commence the kissing bit for the cameras (tips may be got on how to proceed with this sort of carry on from Mary Harney, Minister for illhealth & Michael McDowell, Minister for Injustice);

2) posters of a glossy colourful kind should then be printed and put up around constituency showing Mary Lou Mac Donald MEP arm in arm with Cllr. Nicky Kehoe and hovering over them with a menacing smile and a Darth Vader like presence, their Chieftain, Mr. Gerry Adams;

3) glossy colourful leaflets showing miniature versions of all of the above should then be printed and distributed to the constituents of Dublin Central to reassure them that Mr. Kehoe is thrilled to bits with Mary Lou Mac Donald MEP flying in from Brussels and taking his place in the constituency he worked so hard for over the years.

Of course, there is no guarantee that if you do all of the above that Dublin Central will accept newcomer and outsider Mary Lou MacDonald MEP, she of great wealth, and vote for her.

I hope you have provided Mary Lou Mac Donald MEP's deranged fans with 'maps for dummies' to assist them to locate her "fundraiser", given that they reportedly know the roads in Dublin Central but don't know the directions to them!

Slán go fóillín.

by Druid-where's my car? Thu Jul 27, 2006 22:59

The problem with the brilliant idea is that Nicky Kehoe supports Mary Lou's candidacy- he nominated her for selection.

by Druid Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:10

I have a brilliant idea that could save all in the constituency from Mary Lou. Why doesn't Kehoe go independent and challenge the seat, that way everyone who voted for him last time, because he done good work in the community of Dublin Central and not because of his unfortunate Pretentious Sinn Fein connection, could vote for him again and Mary Lou would then suffer an embarrassing defeat, yipee!!!

by Alice Glenn Fri Jul 21, 2006 21:17

I was in college with Mary lou when she was a Fianna fail organiser.
She never had any inclination towards militant Nationalism then. She was a party hack and I was very surprised when she jumped ship.
Does she live in Dublin Central now?

by RSF watcher Fri Jul 21, 2006 15:13

Now your paranoia increases again. I am special branch now, hhmmm I wonder who gave you that paranoia, I'd guess the same people who gave you that dictionary you use. Of course you are such a threat to the political establishment that they are pulling out all the stops to get at you. Check behind that dictionary of yours, could be agents hiding behind it.

by Sheepstealer Fri Jul 21, 2006 14:35

I'll not be contributing here any more (sure, I can here the bualadh bos in the background from here!) but, I'll say this for the last time, I am not a member of Sinn Féin Poblachtach. You have some crazed perverted obsession with watching Sinn Féin Poblachtach, no doubt you work for the Special Branch - now admit it, or at least you should join them and get paid for your efforts!

I can vote for who I like and I take instructions on this from fuckin no one. And I will feckin vote, I have always voted for the simple reason that there are countries in the world today that don't have that liberty and it is the only time you get a chance to influence who operates in a constituency.

I'm not saying Mary Lou Mac Donald MEP wouldn't make a good politican somewhere else, why doesn't she go back to the constituency she was born in or stay in Brussels, she'd do well there, but she won't do as well in Dublin Central and I'm not alone in that way of thinking, many working class people have great time for the personal contribution Mr. Kehoe made (and I don't mean because of the party he was attached to), some people don't vote that way (particularly, if they are not affiliated to any political party) they vote for people they see making a difference in their area, or if their born there, there's a natural loyalty to them - political parties don't like these types but they exist.

I do not have in my possession an "RSF dictionary".

Now ar aghaidh leat with your RSF watching, you lúdramán!

by RSF watcher Fri Jul 21, 2006 13:26

Your language is straight out of an RSF dictionary. "Sinn Fein Nua" hmmm I wonder who else uses this. You are an RSF'er and your so called concerns are nothing but a paranoid conspiracy theory that Nicky was shafted, this has been pointed out to be absloute nonsense. It is up to Sinn Fein members in the area to choose the candidate and they chose Mary Lou. Mary Lou will win the election, she is known in the area and she will be a very good TD.

by Sheepstealer Fri Jul 21, 2006 13:11

I wish to state all my contributions so far on this site are my personal views and were my true opinions and I am not a member of Sinn Féin Poblachtach, and have no ulterior motive but the hope that they will change this candidate. I am merely stating my views as a Dublin Central constituent and I'd much prefer if Mr. Kehoe was running (in the absence of a great selection of candidates) but I only base my opinion on his personal contribution to the area and long history of involvement, therefore has hands-on knowledge of issues of concern and his substantial contribution he has made and he has made good contributions (despite my disagreements with the political road his party has gone down) and I'm well aware that he is a Councillor you lúdramán!

I am no troll and I am not a member of any political organisation.

Slán

by RSF watcher Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:46

If this is the standard of the RSF troll's then it is no wonder that your such a joke. Nicky isn't retired, he is a councillor for the area. And as for your "concerns" for Mary Lou, she will be elected TD for the area, as for the canvassers asking for directions, the local members are all out canvassing for her and she also has many supporters from outside the area, as do candidates for other area's and other parties (apart from RSF who have no supporters). As for her class background, her politics are more relevant than her class. Lets not pretend that you are some concerned working class socialist. You and your ilk are right wing nationalists, irrelevant for the entire 20 years that your party has existed. According to your party you shouldn't be voting for anybody into Leinster House, I can't believe you've forgot that already. Your worries about Mary Lou's class background are nothing more than a cover for micro republican bullshit. Get some proper socialist analysis and then come back and post, you are nothing but laughing stocks.

by Sheepstealers abú Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:49

Sinn Féin Nua "appeared lost because they mentioned roads but did not know the directions."

Sure, ye can't expect a middle class MEP from a Fianna Fáil background to know what direction or what road to be taking going around Dublin Central, an créatúr!

'Tis a great wonder surely that if Mr. Kehoe who is supposedly in agreement with her running wouldn't help the lost MEP sheep out, if he be accompaning her about the place? But, is he, that's the question? Has any constitutent actually spotted him out and about, by the sounds of things from that poster he certainly is not!

How can ye expect to do well in the next election if ye don't know the way around Dublin Central?

by Sam Tex Fri Jul 21, 2006 08:39

just returned to Paddys Green Shamrock shore after a short break across the pond.Maybe someone could tell me what happened with the 24 million that was raised at the fund raiser at the Northern bank in Belfast?. Maybe it was used to cover up a pension deficit for "the lads".Enlighten me please.

by Luke Reid Fri Jul 21, 2006 02:01

I only said the canvessers appeared lost because they mentioned roads but did not know the directions. As for spelling the name wrong, well I always thought 'Nicky ' was the correct spelling. Sorry its obviously Nicki. Anyway, Sure if they were local people calling I'm sure they are happy for Nicki now that he dosen't have to bother with politics anymore. More time to walk the dogs. More time for crosswords. More time for Bingo. Ah...the pleasures of retirement.

by Sheepstealer Thu Jul 20, 2006 17:09

RSF watcher (An Créatúr bocht),

You are a bit confused God help you. You keep rambling on about 20 years of irrelevancy whatever do you mean and a mysterious paper that I own, I don't own any paper, you fool!! Some day you might get sense le cúnamh Dé!

Mo Dhia! Is this the standard of candidate we can expect from Sinn Féin Nua, deranged, paranoid mar sin de....sure, I suppose, this is the class of person you can expect to attend a Sinn Féin Nua Fundraiser, God help them!

by RSF watcher Thu Jul 20, 2006 16:45

Keep on trolling RSF boyo's as you have nothing better to do. Completely irrelevant micro republicans with no support, no intelligent analysis and archaic language that you only find from the bar stool republicans that are RSF. After 20 years of irrelevancy since they were formed they still do nothing but provo bashing. Bunch of wasters that fool nobody but themselves. They can't fight their way out of paper bags yet they believe they are at "war" with Britain. Keep it up trolls, and sheepstealer shouldn't you be abstaining from a vote for Leinster House, did they not tell you in that ridiculous paper of yours. The SWP are bigger and have far more of an impact then RSF, and the SWP are useless. Their paper is also better.

by Sheepstealer Thu Jul 20, 2006 16:07

It is of the utmost importance to me who represents the people of Dublin Central because I live there and I take a great interest in the constituency and I care what happens to it. I may not like the present political establishment as it stands today, but in day to day living I have no choice but to put up with it and I have a right to express my views on a candidate and all the views I have expressed here are solely my personal views (they are the property of no political organisation) and I meant every word I said and have been honest throughout .

I am not a malicious or vicious person and I take great offence that you find my opinion unworthy and ridiculous and it just goes to show how pompous ye all have become. Shame on you.

by MJ Fox Thu Jul 20, 2006 15:49

Hi
I just got back from 1985 and saw a similar note to the one above

Paranoid micro republicans

by PSF watcher
The only paranoid person here is yourself and your other PSF cronies. PSF use ridiculous language that shows them up for being off the wall nutters. PSF, a party formed twenty years ago, are completely irrelevant and are only concerned with workers party bashing. None of your points are in any way true or valid and you came up with a ludicrous conspiracy theory about WP fundraising, I'd advise you to cop on and read more than that ridiculous little paper of yours.

by RSF watcher Thu Jul 20, 2006 14:56

The only paranoid person here is yourself and your other RSF cronies. RSF use ridiculous language that shows them up for being off the wall nutters. RSF, a party formed twenty years ago, are completely irrelevant and are only concerned with provo bashing. None of your points on this thread were in any way true or valid and you came up with a ludicrous conspiracy theory about Mary Lou's selection, I'd advise you to cop on and read more than that ridiculous little paper of yours.

by Sheepstealer Thu Jul 20, 2006 14:40

RSF Watcher,

I am not in the business of trolling about the place. Please refrain from insulting Dublin Central constituents by labelling them trolls, just because they would like to share their view here on a candidate who is putting herself forward for election in their constituency. How the hell are ye going to get any support if ye keep this up? A bit of respect and manners wouldn't go amiss here or when ye coming visiting. Ye can't be going about the place calling everybody in sundry trolls, it only makes ye look extremely insecure and paranoid.

No need to wish ye luck with the fundraiser - sure, Mary Lou Mac Donald MEP agus Sinn Féin Nua has sufficient funds already, but I hope ye all have good craic at the fundraiser anyway, ye need to chill out a bit, ye're very uptight and need a bit of unwinding.

Tóg go bog é, le bhur thoil!

Slán go fóillín

by RSF watcher Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:17

That person is an RSF trolll. Just look at the idiotic language the poster uses, "foreign occupation", "Sinn Fein Nua" its straight out of the RSF dictionary. Far from that poster posting the actual truth, he/she is just trolling, and all because RSF (a party founded 20 years ago) is completely irrelevant and have nothing better to do.

by disbelief Thu Jul 20, 2006 01:25

Sheep stealer,

Your criticisms of the democratically selected Sinn Féin candidate seems to vary between her class, the fact that she is an MEP (a "foreign occupation" in your view) the fact that she doesn't live in Dublin Central, and a general distaste for Sinn Féin based not on engagement with their policies, but just a kind of formless negativity.

You are perfectly entitled to hold all these views.

However, I am also entitled to point out that they are eccentric, to say the least.

by Can't resist Thu Jul 20, 2006 01:14

People called to the door and you ask them about Nicky Kehoe, whose name you can't spell, and they tell you he doesn't want to run, but you don't believe them- why? If they had Nicky Kehoe there in person would you believe it?

These mysterious canvassers have a list of streets, but no map. You "get the feeling" that no local people are involved in the Sinn Féin campaign. Based on what exactly? Where were these strange foreigners from?

by Sheepstealer Wed Jul 19, 2006 19:33

Bhuel, 'tis a sad day surely, when a Dublin Central constituent can't ask a simple little question and offer an opinion on a candidate running in their constituency without meeting with an avalanche of abuse from Sinn Féin Nua - are ye that insecure that ye can't handle someone with a different view - there are many people like myself who are not in agreement with Ireland's membership of the European Union in this country and I am one of them and I would prefer if Dublin Central got someone who is not an MEP and came originally from the Dublin Central area - what's mad about that?

I'll not be writing here again, ye have absolutely no manners!

by Luke Reid Wed Jul 19, 2006 19:19

I had SF callers to my door last week and I asked them about Nicky Keogh. They said that they were told that he did not want to run but as they were not from the area they had not heard him say it himself.
They said that Mary Lou was the best candidate and then asked me for directions to the next street on their list. I get the feeling that no locals are involved with her campaign. is this true?

by seek help Wed Jul 19, 2006 18:31

I don't think it is Mary Lou who is lost.

by Sheepstealers abú Wed Jul 19, 2006 18:25

"MEP's don't actually spend that much time out of Ireland. Certainly, Mary Lou spends the majority of her time in Dublin Central."

So, the Ms. Mac Donald MEP doesn't spend much time in the European Parliament then, well I'd believe that alright, cushy number it is too, might be difficult to adjust to the workload in the Dublin Central area.

I am against anyone who sits in the European Parliament, I couldn't give a shite what party they are from, I am totally against the European Community!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't have Mr. Kehoe's number and since ye don't seem to have any time for constituents asking questions and offering their opinions and only have an interest in abusing and taunting them, it would be a waste of time for me. All I'd every hear is that shite about that farce that is the Good Friday Agreement anyway.

"Maybe the whole thing is a joke, is that it?"

No, all I'm saying is that I think someone else in Sinn Féin Nua would have been more suitable as a candidate but you obviously can't bear anyone expressing or holding a different opinion.

Lost sheep found in Dublin Central answers to "Mary Lou".

by shearer Wed Jul 19, 2006 17:26

MEP's don't actually spend that much time out of Ireland. Certainly, Mary Lou spends the majority of her time in Dublin Central. If you think all MEP's should be precluded from running for office as TD's, can you give us a single instance where you have ever mentioned this before. Have you ever criticised any other party than Sinn Fein for putting forward an MEP for Leinster House?

Regarding your strange "joke about impersonation,
Can I ask why don't you call Nicky then? His mobile number is on every piece of paper that comes through your door form SF. The only reason you can give for not asking him why he didn't want to run is fear that somebody else might impersonate him...

Maybe the whole thing is a joke, is that it? Your whole bizzare rant on Mary Lou being the wrong class and somehow foreign and not popular with the Sinn Féin members who asked her to run, nominated her and voted for her, it's all a joke is it?

by Sheepstealer Wed Jul 19, 2006 17:17

"Members of the European Parliament who were born and bred in Dublin and still live here, are somehow "foreign".

I did not say she was foreign of course she's Irish, you are deliberately misinterpreting what I said, yes, you are surely a politican alright, perhaps, you should go on for the position yourself. I said she has a foreign occupation being an MEP in that she works for the European Parliament and, therefore, is out of the Ireland most of the time and would not be aware of the goings-on in the Dublin Central, I'd say that about any MEP not just one in Sinn Féin Nua.

By the way, I was joking about the impersonating bit, but you obviously have absolutely no sense of humour!

As regards you calling me Mad tory little-englander"

Bhuel, of all the fuckin insults I have to put up, and I thought I heard them all, that is the fuckin lowest of the fuckin low - Tory's shoot people like me you know!

Sort yourselves out will ye and not be going about the place insulting constituents of Dublin Central!

by Results are in Wed Jul 19, 2006 16:38

People are impersonating Sinn Fein Councillors, answering their mobile phones and telling lies.

Members of the European Parliament who were born and bred in Dublin and still live here, are somehow "foreign" .

You know how this sounds don't you? You know you sound a bit crazy?

Perhaps if you have a problem with SF, you should point out which of their policies that you don't like, and talk about them, rather than trying to say that the candidate who their members selected democratically is from the wrong class background and foreign, which frankly makes you sound like some mad tory little-englander...

by Sheepstealer Wed Jul 19, 2006 14:46

"Ring up Nicky Kehoe and say you're a constituent and you want to know why he's not running."

I am a constituent and I'll not bother ringing, sure, it could be yourself or someone impersonating Mr. Kehoe that might answer anyway telling me a tall tale. But, feel free to eat your computer anyway!

"Sure anyone with eyes in their head can see Nicky and Christy out canvassing wiith Mary Lou - why would they do that if they weren't in favour of her as a candidate? "

Well I haven't spotted them out and about but I'll be on the look-out and a miracle might happen and they'll arrive at my door, as I have a long list of questions for them and Mary Lou as to how she thinks she will be a good candidate for Dublin Central?

"As for "an outsider" with "a foreign occupation", that sounds like something from the 1930's..."

I wasn't around in the 1930s, but she does have a foreign occupation. She is an MEP working in a far off land in the European Parliament and 'tis far removed from Dublin Central she's coming from!

Find someone else!

by sheepdog Wed Jul 19, 2006 13:26

Your conspiracy theories are really weird.

I'd love to know what evidence have you got for any of it?

Ring up Nicky Kehoe and say you're a constituent and you want to know why he's not running. If he tells you anything about being "cleansed from the party", I'll eat this computer.

Sure anyone with eyes in their head can see Nicky and Christy out canvassing wiith Mary Lou - why would they do that if they weren't in favour of her as a candidate?

Why did the party membership vote for her at the convention?

How can it all be rigged like you say?

As for "an outsider" with "a foreign occupation", that sounds like something from the 1930's...

by Sheepstealer Wed Jul 19, 2006 13:02

I base it on the fact that she has personally no connection whatsoever, no history of community work in the constituency. It's not simply that she's middle class, if she grew up in the constituency or had a history of working in it itself that wouldn't be so much a problem. It will be very tough for her to be accepted in Dublin Central, she's an outsider with a foreign occupation (being an MEP) and people are loyal to people who come originally from the Dublin Central area.

I believe Sinn Féin Nua have other people much better suited and who would have more awareness of the problems in the constituency and, therefore, would do a much better job in this constituency, but I believe they are cleansing the party of people with past military records due to the mistaken belief that they would not be accepted and this is wrong. I don't buy the scéal that she was the only one in the party who wanted to contend for Dublin Central, and what has happened the other poor unfortunate contender (has he gone missing in action)?

by Saddened Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:44

The last couple of posts are simple evidence of class hatred. You've identified Mary Lou as middle class, and therefore not fit to stand for Sinn Féin in Dublin Central. Based on what exactly- her accent?

by Willie Nilly Thu Jul 13, 2006 21:57

First it was the Armani suits then it was those more suited to wearing them.

In with the New out with the Old!

by Sheepstealer Thu Jul 13, 2006 21:17

PSF are forever waffling on about how big a party they are and how much support they have and yet, they cannot produce a home-grown suitable working class candidate to represent the Dublin Central constitutency - a PSF supporter ("Shepherd") stated earlier they had no choice but to pick Mary Lou, as they could not get anybody else (don't think she'll be too thrilled about that!). Anyway, just because Mary Lou Mac Donald got elected as an MEP (and she was suited to that post) do not presume, as ye so arrogantly do, that she'll get elected for Dublin Central, this is a totally different ball game entirely!

Did no one in the party have the cop-on to consider how she would be perceived (as a blow-in with her middle class wealthy background) and how alien she appears (being an MEP) to the majority who reside in working class Dublin Central? What sort of lúdramáns have you in the party that didn't foresee this? With decisions like this how can people trust you to make the right decisions on their behalf, if you can't find a candidate with hands-on lengthy experience and thorough knowledge of working with communities in this constituency?

But, keep on saying she'll get the seat, keep on being so arrogant about what the constituents of Dublin Central will decide, that's a great way of winning the constituents over alright - why should anyone bother to go out and vote at all if that's the case.

by Sean Oglach Thu Jul 13, 2006 19:38

Hmm, So it seems that no one is capable of answering my Question simple though it is. Therefore I take it that the Sinn Feiners are on the road to God knows where.

by Sean also Thu Jul 13, 2006 19:12

I am anti authoritarian, I reject all leaders. I also reject trolls like you who come on indymedia and do nothing but snipe with the most idiotic nonsense imaginable. Paisley is your leader, I'm a real republican, Brits this blah blah blah. You are a broken record which nobody ever wanted to listen to because it was full of shit.

by Sean Oglach Thu Jul 13, 2006 19:03

Typical can't answer the question so you revert to ranting. A bit like Paisley [ Your future leader in Government]

By the way I'm not connected to any Republican Organisation, either Dissident or Conforming. I gave too much to Republicanism and all I see for years of war and suffering is grovelling at the feet of Ireland's enemies

by Sean also Thu Jul 13, 2006 18:11

Perhaps Sean it is because nobody is bothered to repond to an RSF troll. It would be a complete waste of time, you wouldn't understand either. All they would get is the usual bullshit from you of sheep, traitors, I'm a real republican, 1986 blah bblah blah.

by Concerned DC Constituent Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:54

Word of caution to Dublin Central constituents:

Please beware of political parties calling to your door looking for your vote (or occupying buildings around the constituency holding fundraisers), you will recognise them by their outlandish claims that they will improve your area with their fantastic policies and will request you to vote for them and part with your hard earned cash in return for them improving your community, beware, these are con men and women and they will not carry out the work promised, do not answer your door under any circumstance! These people belong to established parties in Leinster House and are wealthier than your average bank (some of them even own banks or have close connections with them).

A bad case has been reported recently where an MEP has been asking the people of Dublin Central to part with their hard earned cash when the person concerned is wealthier than the majority of people residing in said constituency.

by Diana Ross - The Supremes Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:27

The phone number for ML's office in North Strand is 01 704 0626.
The number for Ray O Reilly's IWU office on North Strand is 01 819 7731.

Would this not indicate they are different? And even if they were the same, whats the problem?

by Maccer Wed Jul 12, 2006 22:17

"Offices now open in Cabra - 01 868 3934, and on the North Strand -01 704 0626."

Why are they only opened at election time? Do yous do no work the rest of the time?

by Big Mac Wed Jul 12, 2006 21:01

Knock! Knock!

Who's there?

Sinn Fein canvasing on behalf of our candidate.

Where does Sinn Fein now stand on Socialism? You know, the old 32 Socialist Republic?

SLAM!

Bejeepers they slammed the door in me face!

From the OUTSIDE!

by Sean Oglach Wed Jul 12, 2006 20:48

A simple question for Mary Lou and the rest of Sinn Fein.

If Sinn Fein manages to ingratiate itself enough to the DUP to be allowed to sit in Government under Big Ian. What happens next?

How do they go about establishing a United Ireland from Stormont?

Simple question.

by Big Mac Wed Jul 12, 2006 20:35

Druid SF are trying to rid themselves of anyone with a Militant Political background or didn't you know?
The right wing supporters with cash in America don't like Militant Political backgrounds.

by Druid Wed Jul 12, 2006 20:21

It matters to the people of Dublin Central who represents them all the same.

Maybe, PSF could do a swap and swap her with someone else running for them in another constituency (preferably on the south-side of Dublin) and replace her with someone with a more working class and militant political background, I don't know if that is possible but if it can be done it might help. Let me know what you think of this?

by conspiracy watcher Wed Jul 12, 2006 19:37

Maybe all you guys who have nothing positive to say about Sinn Féin or any realistic agenda for Republicanism, and who seem to want ML McDonald to be defeated , thus assuring Fianna Fáil of another five years in power (dou you really think this would be best for Dublin Central), should put together an article about all the various people who've been "shafted" by the party , the splits in Sinn Fein, how everyone in Sinn Fein is a spy, how it's all to do with something that happened in the 1980's and how everyone you know who is a member of Sinn Fein secretly agrees with you. I'm not sure that an event notice of a fundraiser at the Annesley House is the right place for all this...

by Big Mac Wed Jul 12, 2006 19:36

I've just finished reading the latest articles in the 'Blanket' and I must say that the pots about to boil over regarding the Hunger Strikes of 1981.

In time the truth will come out, it always does.

Reading into these things and seeing the haste with which Adams and his cronies are rushing through changes in Sinn Fein personnel and the shameless grovelling to be allowed into Paisley's Parliament, leaves me thinking that perhaps the leadership knows that the day of reckoning will come and hope to be well established in power before that day.

by MG Wed Jul 12, 2006 18:24

It is not true to say that their are no candidates with a miltary background, it is pure nonsense. Neither Burke nor Kehoe wanted to run and Nicky made that clear straight after the local elections. As for who you vote for, that is up to you and you could always spoil your vote. Mary Lou will win the seat and become a TD for the area, however the election is a while away yet and you never know.

by Sheepstealer Wed Jul 12, 2006 18:15

I don't believe for a minute that nobody else was prepared to put themselves forward in PSF for Dublin Central. This is a major mistake for them, I don't know anyone I've spoken to in this constituency (I live there) that thinks she is a suitable candidate to represent Dublin Central (she would have done well in a South Dublin constituency).

I've no doubt they are shafting people who had military backgrounds, which I think is disgusting, they were good enough back then to do the dirty work, but not good enough for them now they have entered Leinster House, and they have chosen these university middle-class types over them to play it safe and these types don't represent the majority in that constituency. If she was from the constituency this would not matter so much, but she has no connection with those she wishes to represent and this will stand against her.

Anyway, now that I've gone to all that bother of filling out all those forms and registering to vote, I find myself in the position of not wishing to vote for anyone but, I suppose, I'll vote anyway.

by MG Wed Jul 12, 2006 18:08

Ghandi, you are talking absolute nonsense. Neither Kehoe or Burke wanted the nomination. That is absolutely clear. They weren't told not to go for the position, they didn't want it. And none of your attempts to paint them as sheep will change that. How amusing it is to see you call them sheep as it shows you don't know them at all, and that your "perceptions" are merely ill informed rants. And as for Mary Lou not being the best candidate, that is subjective and we will find out exactly what the electorate feel about her candidacy. My feeling is that she will win the election. In the meantime we will expect to hear nothing but the usual bullshit from micro irrelvant republicans about Sinn Fein members being sheep and all the usual ill informed nonsense. Get a grip you know nothing.

by Sean Oglach Wed Jul 12, 2006 18:05

If people were to open their eyes and look around them, the fact is that The Adam's lot are slowly so as not to cause a split just yet ,removing those in the Movement who have been there a long time and who might not go the whole way in the dismantlement of Republicanism. They are being replaced with the Mary Lous, the former RUC men and others who are joining SF for themselves alone and not for the betterment of their people, as they would claim.

Just look around your own areas, how many new faces in SF do you see? What did they do in the war?
How many of the old faces are still there?
How many are former Blanket men?

As for not recognising the name of Kieran Nugent, I'd bet shes not the only one to have done so.
But we True Republicans will never forget not for money nor power!

by Caobhin Wed Jul 12, 2006 13:51

ML gave a telling performance on Q&A a few months ago when McDowell alluded to the cunning of the Shinners in running ceasefire soldiers for election, contrasting her fragrance with the great unwashed of the bulk of PSF membership. (He used the term "dandelion on the dungheap") So what did the bowld Mary Lou do?

A. Lay into the rat for his fascistic dehumanisation of her comrades;

or

B. Sit there preening and allow the remark go unchallenged.

Answers somewhere in the middle of a 328 page policy document (for discussion) please.

by Sheepstealer Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:11

I am not a supporter of the Free State Government so you could hardly call me a supporter of Fianna Fáil.

However, I know one PSF supporter and he and others in Dublin Central don't believe she's a good candidate for that constituency either!

by sheepshagger Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:43

The sheepstealer states 'Since you are obviously not a supporter of Sinn Féin, then you won't be supporting the party in the election or at the fundraiser. That's your choice. The fact that you are posting comments here indicates that you hope others share your views. Presumably you will be happy to see Fianna Fáil retain the seat'.

I assume he/she is a SF supporter and using the same logic he/she voted, along with the vast majority of other SFers, for the stickies in the 1980's to do the very same thing - to keep FF out. There was as much chance of that as Garland shaking Bushes hand at the New York St Pats Parade

SF have a soft spot for FF and currently its in their interest for FG/Lab to poll poorly so they can maximise on voter unhappyness with Labour.

Meanwhile - in 'Norn Iron' they wish to keep the DUP'es of imperialism in!

by shepherd Wed Jul 12, 2006 02:40

Sheepstealer,

You have every right to believe that ML McDonald is not the right candidate, and someone else should have been picked. There was, however, a democratic process of selection whereby anyone in the party could put themselves forward for selection by the membership in the local cumainn. There was one other candidate, and this person was defeated in an election carried out by secret ballot at the selection convention in December.

No one else wanted to take on the onerous task of fighting the election for Sinn Féin in Dublin Central.

Remember if ML McDonald does not win this seat, as many people seem to want, then it will stay in the hands of Fianna Fáil.

Since you are obviously not a supporter of Sinn Féin, then you won't be supporting the party in the election or at the fundraiser. That's your choice. The fact that you are posting comments here indicates that you hope others share your views. Presumably you will be happy to see Fianna Fáil retain the seat.

As a resident in the constituency I would be dismayed by such an outcome. The legacy of Fianna Fáil has been that the north inner city, where I live, has the lowest rate of attendance at higher education in the country. Health, education, amenities, housing, even nutrition have all suffered under FF. Literacy rates are low, cancer rates are high.

Democracy allows us all to act on our prejudices. I hope you have fully considered the consequences of acting on yours, for the people of Dublin Central, including, perhaps, yourself.

by Gandhi of North Strand Tue Jul 11, 2006 15:40

Had Perma tan Mary Lou round at the door 2 weeks ago, dressed in her designer gear, fitted in really well!!! along with 3 other mushrooms,

I asked her did she live in the constituency, it took four questions for her to finally admit that she lived just outside it.

Asked her how she thought she could represent people in the area, her reply was "We have Policies", she listed of a couple, I asked her to explain their National policy, she then gave me the GFA mantra, I asked where in the GFA does it say the points she listed.

Her reply was that she "could'nt quote the exact paragraph, but it was in there somewhere"., in any event she claimed it would take an hour to explain it, and she did'nt have time.

I mentioned how she had spoke in memory of the Hunger Strikers recently and how they influenced her and I wondered then why the first party she joined was FF who were in power during some of the HS. I asked her what she did during the Hunger Strike her reply was she was only 11 but was probally on a few marches.

At this stage the mushrooms were gathering around, saying no need for this,

She informed me that most Republicans were still with them, I asked then about Kieran Nugent, she walked off, not even knowing who he was.

by Sheepstealer Tue Jul 11, 2006 15:01

In my opinion, Mary Lou Mac Donald is well suited to being an MEP and the European Parliament is just the place for her. Sinn Féin would have been better of getting someone who had strong connections with the Dublin Central area and the communities there, someone people could identity with.

It's hard to comprehend why Sinn Féin needs to fundraise for Mary Lou Mac Donald, she appears pretty well-off to me and would to many a working class person like myself, and her party in general certainly does not appear hard-up for cash, taking into account their close friendships with their wealthy Irish and American capitalist friends and their close relationships with British imperialists.

Anyone that would give money to this fundraiser needs their bloody head examined! If you feel the need to part with your money, it would be much better spent giving it to a community charity in Dublin Central area.

by Gandhi of North Strand Mon Jul 10, 2006 18:32

Should'nt Mary Lou be concentrating on the job she is paid to do, ie Dublin MEP rather than going around doors looking for a new job?

The North Strand PSF office address is the same as PSF recent recruit Ray O'Reilly's Independent Workers Union. The same Ray who was a member of CPI for many years and also the speaker from PSF who was recently listed to speak at the Future fro Republicanism meeting, that was until the hierarchy found out.

Mary Lou is another politico who does not even live in the constituency she wants to represent.