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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6Presumeably if US forces are prepared to shoot dead unarmed Iraqi civilians and kidnap them on torture flights surely they are prepared to shoot dead unarmed Gardai?
Are you prepared to force a confrontation in which innocent Irish men and women must confront armed genocidal killer and forcibly disarm them?
The CIA probably wouldn't use Shannon for dirty business anymore, if they knew that they could be caught. See example of New Zealand's anti-nuke policy, including random searches aboard ships.
it may come as a shock to you but there are many armed gardai about. i'm not talking about the emergency response unit. i mean the special branch: all of those plain clothes guys & gals you see "observing" political demos are armed.
they would be well able to inspect any US planes. and if any should fall in the line of duty, i would be the first to start a memorial fund for those valiant workers out of uniform.
If I or she should chance to be
Involved in this affair,
He trusts to you to set them free,
Exactly as we were.
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"Let the jury consider their verdict,” the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.
“No, no!” said the Queen. “Sentence first—verdict afterward.”
“Stuff and nonsense!” said Alice loudly. “The idea of having the sentence first!”
“Hold your tongue!” said the Queen, turning purple.
“I won’t!” said Alice.
“Off with her head!” the Queen shouted at the top of her voice.
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http://www.authorama.com/alice-in-wonderland-12.html
It seems to me that Bertie is operating on the principle of "verdict first—evidence afterward". And since the verdict he has already passed on our torturing friends is "not guilty", there's no need to send the gardaí in search of evidence at all.
Coilín.
Pat c is correct Timothy. I've been confronted by gun toting gardai at Shannon on several occasions.
Some of us lodged formal complaints at Shannon Garda Station in October 2004 concerning the use of Shannon Airport for extraordinary rendition. The 'investigating officer' subsequently asked us, individually, to withdraw our complaints: in fact, pleaded with us might not be too strong a term to use.
He seemed to be of the opinion that the onus was on us to actually capture the perpretators, and deliver them to him on a silver salver.
Abetting torture is a serious international crime, and failure to fully investigate such crimes is a serious dereliction of duty.
Maybe pat c or Timothy could also let us know who exactly are the men in black at Shannon airport. Those mean, lean, athletic types, totally clad in black and sporting shades (absolutely necessary when it's pouring down on a dark winter's day in Shannon). I presume they have some other function other than loitering: they are definitely not Irish which causes one to wonder if loitering requires a work visa.
hard to say exactly who the men in black are. US state dept & INS officials are "legitimately" base at Shannon. These organisations have security and intelligence sections. As senior US officials including Dubya often pass through Shannon, it is quite possible that the Secret Service also have a permanent squad there.
the CIA often uses other US federal agencies for cover.
aer riante (or whatever itis now) is exempt from FOI. Is the IAA? They could be asked about US Federal staff based at Shannon.