Protests at Fianna Fail Ard Fheis, Killarney.

by karma Sat Oct 22, 2005 19:36

yes. But get the booties in. They'll expect you to shout Iraq, be a bit more hurtful, why not?
After all their corruption has deprived you of :-

Hospital beds.
Public Infrastructure.
School meals.
School books.
you could make a list.

by Mairtin Sat Oct 22, 2005 20:01

Karma,
There's no need to ask for more 'hurtful' things to roar at a protest. Are you trying to incite a violent protest? I'm not a Fianna Fail supporter myself but surely a protest deserves to be democratic and peaceful?

by Peace Campaigner Sun Oct 23, 2005 01:42

Kieran, You are a member of the SWP and should say you are. So is Sean, same for you.

You are members of a party that has long term strategy of pretending to be something that you are not. Your Track record for this is as long as that beatiful Banna Strand of yours down in Kerry.

The IAWM is just the SWP as the world and his cousin knows, (unless the world and his cousin are new to politics )

CAMPAIGN AS THE SWP Be honest and truthful. NOt as SIPTU or some other label.

Do not use popular causes to gain recruits for your party, because it damages that cause when you do this. It also damages your party but it seems you either do not know this (and are extremly stupid )or do not care.(more likely)

This is a peace movement, not a periphary.

by Kieran McNulty Sun Oct 23, 2005 15:06

Your comment on the SWP is rather disengenuous considering we now knothing about yourself and you have not even been courteous enough to leave your name. We along with others managed to get the Shell to Sea protest and the antiwar protest covered in the Sunday Tribune and we also got a great deal of support from the postal workers who were holding a big rally. What did you achieve? I will not be bothering to continue further engaging with your sectarian irrelevance.
Kieran McNulty.

by iosaf Sun Oct 23, 2005 17:00

Generally is thought in democratic states to present both the opposition and the party itself an excellent opportunity to underscore important issues of moral concern, integrity and prove that despite the slogans, stages, and leadership speeches, the national party machine still offers and respects debate. and values internal difference.

Thus we see old age pensioners removed hastily from the hall by over enthusiastic volunteer stewards for shouting "Rubbish!" or "liars!". The New Labour party are adept at this, and so too are most large "democratic" parties in Europe. "Did he smoke dope?" - No, never but he hoovers charlie like the best of us. Or in France and many other continental states, a splendidly co-ordinate bunch of "extremist youth radicals" will stage a walk-out.

Ireland is unique.

The ogra FF don't walk out, don't hussle for attention, and the opportunity to express discontent is left to those who want to remind all about the Iraq war, but don't want to be hurtful. The old militants of near forgotten tendencies are not man-handled publically out the door. There is no scandal, no talk.

I still have that chip on my shoulder.

But have now learnt how to communicate it to others. I am happy to be helping others realise that they too carry this burden, others who know they have been ripped off. When I joked that you would have your RTS! in 2016 in 2002 and certain "rascals" were not invited - I was serious.
its why I told the gardaí. You will have it. You will have your republic. But the party that begins with F and ends with F will not provide you with it. Because they are too finely woven with the by now dirty undercloth of the regime. You need to change your regime, not just your government. Maybe next year, an old FF member will grab attention, or hurtful protests will start at the door and the opportunity will not be wasted to play the "democratic game".

by Very Busy Peace Activist (non party) Mon Oct 24, 2005 18:30

Kieran does not deny the points I made earlier, that is good. Now he says hes gonna sulk and not respond !

I'm happy to see that Kieran in his response does not deny any of the serious allegations I made, which is good, .

I know that its very embarrassing to read about the party you love like this, but my point is that its true nontheless.

I am sure that you are doing the beat you can against the war and I.m not doubting that one bit.

But as I said if the cap fits you must wear it .

For one tiny political party to pass itself off as being "The IRISH" antiwar movement is damaging

Speech after speech after tedious speech your leaders have said that we needed to build a "Broad Coailition" #

Stop USING OUR NAME. You are a political party USE YOUR OWN NAME , do not impersonate the peace movement because it brings us into disrepute.

Do not use the movement to build your party.

Why dont you try and get elected by your own name??

The reason why we are all so concerned is that in the SWP everybody has to follow the party line as decided by the Leaders of the party. Anybody who does not will be expelled.
This is the way the party works.


Remember they always vote as a block. They are highly disciplined and highly organised.

They will vote against a proposal which they themselve made!

The only people who trust the SWP are the inexperienced or those foolish enough to think that they can pull their strings

No group, left right or centre would ever trust the SWP for one minute and that very much includes their fellow trotskyites in the Socialist party.

Avoid like the plauge!!!