Chickens and Turkeys Liberated from Hell-Holes.

by pleased Fri Dec 10, 2004 19:47

well done, maybe the farmers can be shoved back towards their humanity. More of that sort of thing.

by Sceptical Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:49

I agree that the conditions the animals are kept in are dreadful. But I'd like to know what the ALF mean by 'liberating' overweight chickens? If they mean just leaving them out in the open, they're not going to survivie five minutes before being mauled by a dog or some other animal. They're ill and weak. Unless the ALF are willing to put their money where their mouth is and actually rehabilitate animals themselves, their methods are unhelpful. Their practice of "freeing" animals from laboratories where they have already been used for testing is also not helpful - it's actually dangerous and wreaks havoc on the eco-system, spreading disease amongst other wildlife.

by Swampy Tue Dec 14, 2004 09:26

Good grief Sceptical, where do you get your information from? Or do you just make it up as you go along? How is the practice of "freeing" animals from laboratories where they have already been used for testing not helpful? You say it's dangerous and wreaks havoc on the eco-system, spreading disease amongst other wildlife. Liberated animals get checked out by sympathic vets who are willing to support the cause to make sure they are healthy.
And, leaving liberated animal out in the open to be mauled by a dog or some other animal? That would defeat the purpose of a liberation.

by adge Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:58 fluiddruid at eircom dot net

hi...well,ok,full marks for liberating those birds,but don't expect me to assume that all liberators have a better cranial capacity than turkeys.
have you forgotten the loonies who turned out thousands of mink in england?that devastated the local wildlife.
have you forgotten the turkeys that were liberated by just cutting the wire and chasing them outside?they were still there in the morning,waiting to be fed.
these things have to be done properly or not at all.
i love the liberation of a whole pack of foxhounds in england that disappeared completely...that took some organising.
so go for it , and good luck !!!

by Bewildered.... Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:55

Were these the same loonie's in England who owned the fur farms that went bankrupt and decided to turn their mink stock into the wild because it was cheaper to do this than gas them all to death?
Mink Liberations only allow a small number to escape, even if thousands have been released out of their cages. For thousands to escape, the whole parameter fencing would have to taken down. To do this would cause the risk of getting caught. A hole is usually cut in one section of fence which will hopefully allow some mink to escape.
There has never been mass destruction caused to wildlife either here or in England due to a mink liberation. This is hysteria caused by the same people who claim that mink have run around in marauding packs and have eaten whole herds of cattle and sheep. And have eaten their way through the doors of houses so they could feed on the families inside.

Anyway, what has turkey/chicken liberation got to do with mink liberation?

by John O'Driscoll - The Portcullis Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:49 jodrisco at ireland dot com Shanghai People's Republic

The mink is the most destructive creature on the Island of Ireland next to Man.

Neither are natural to the habitat. I commend you to Waterville and the destruction there of the seatrout stocks by mink released into the wild by the former minkfarm there.

The mink comes from Siberia, where its natural habitat keeps the population in check. A wounded mink will attack a man, and there is nothing in our temperate environment comparable in size that can withstand it. Larger creatures fear it.

It should never have been brought into the country in the first place. Prime Directive sorta thing.

And they breed like Roamin' Catholics (being one meself and the father of four I know)

And I'd like to know how animal "liberationists" rehabilitate the animals they liberate. Exact numbers, destinations and post-"liberation" performance please.

For heaven's sake. When they liberated the death camps people died from the effects that gorging on suddenly-available food had on starved abused bodies.

Kindness is one thing. Selfish egoism masquerading as sentimentality posing as kindness is another.

Out of the frying pan into the fryer is the more likely fate of such "liberated" animals. Imagine if you've been raised all your life in the Forbidden City, then are suddenly chucked out into Revolutionary China.

Ask the Last Emperor.

by slug Wed Dec 15, 2004 21:31

as the last person mentioned, liberating death camps (human ones) isn't always perfect, but it's absolutely neccesary, no? In terms of the chickens+turkeys getting sprung, whether or not they survive for long afterward, at least they have had some breath of reality. They would be certain of imminent death in the farms don't forget. And importantly it gives a kick to the human owners of these places, and the more it happens, the more it'll hurt them. Maybe they'll give up on chicken farming and take up hiking or something, who knows.

by newsforthedeaf Wed Dec 15, 2004 22:28

Not just for Christmas.

by sean Thu Dec 16, 2004 04:21

thirty-four years ago some of the trade union workers blacklisted by the monopoly capitalists for shutting down their oil refineries in b.c.(now wind, tidal, and solar power which transforms to electricity can be used throughout the industrial revolution) went back to the land, and began doing organic communes. we liberated about twenty-five monoploy capitalist chickens from their cages and brought them to the commune to see if they would flock. those birds were so exploited that they did not know what sunlight was, they had never had a dust bath, they were so full of hormones, that their combs were pale pink instead of dark red. they were sick and degenerated from the cages, and finally driven insane from cramped living conditions they were pecking each other to death and thusly thrown in dead bins etc. you can well imagine what eating insane chickens is, or granma getting and overdose of hormones etc. it sickens the entire species. how would you like to be stuck in a cramped cage when your whole instinct is to walk around and live in the natural green? it took us twenty-five years to get those chickens back to breeding so they could go into nature and bring back some chicks, and to get that far we had to borrow banty blood from unexploited chickens. today those chickens are quite well but not fully cured and still have insane times of plucking out their own feathers. though now they have re-covered mostly and we can see in time they will recoverfully when all exploitation of the ecological green is over with. animal liberation is necessary and as well the entire livability of the planet, plant and animal and peoples. good article and keep up the good work. the old commune is best and is the natural dialectic in times. go solar.

by Birdwatcher Thu Dec 16, 2004 13:39

Sean, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your comment. The conditions these birds are kept in is extremely depressing.
The comment I enjoyed most, was in a newspaper last year, from a Broiler Farmer who tried to claim his birds were free-range. All of his sheds are overstocked with chickens, which are squashed together and living in their own waste. The ammonia cuts the eyes out of you, making it difficult to see. It's so hard to even catch your breath because the smell causes you to gag. Most of the birds are featherless underneath and covered in open sores because of the crap they have to lie in.
Anyway, this Farmer tried to claim his chickens are free-range, and are allowed out in the open during the day. He said they weren't out at the time he was being investigated because it was too cold for them. Firstly, how do wild chickens survive in the cold? And, secondly, how does he cope with letting tens of thousands of chickens out of his sheds during the day and then try to pack them all back in their sheds at night? I guess that by passing a "few bob on the side" allows you to claim that your broiler farm is free-range.

by slugged Fri Dec 17, 2004 00:22

in fact you can compare the captive chicken, to the modern human, in terms of degeneration, insanity and incapability to behave normally. After how ever many generations of captivity (physically, mentally and spiritually) we are just like those deformed chickens: pecking each other to death, sick, and unnatural.
Forget solar bleedin panels, learn how to live like the rest of the planet does...

by Yusuf Tue Dec 28, 2004 14:42

Animal Liberation types are urban dwellers who have blurred the distinction in their minds between humans and animals. Probably because most of their contact with animals is with domestic pets who they can humanize to their hearts content. C4's River Cottage gives the best guide to getting the blanace right between food proudction, health and welfare.

by exactly Thu May 11, 2006 22:04

Well said. Most people who 'like animals' have had limited conatct with them which is normally at most a household pet. I have lived in the on a farm all my life and the dogs we have, in my opinion, have a much better life than domestic pets. Their inteligence is respected and encouraged as oposed to domestic pets who in many cases are spoilt and have unstimulating boring lives. I do not agree with intensive factory farming but the way forward is respect not condesention for animals.