FRU garda recruits

by ROOSTER Mon Jul 19, 2004 00:48

Decommision the PSNI????

Only if we can have the RUC BACK!

by bswatch Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:06

as exposed by the sunday people.......

shurely shome mishtake !!!!!

by Poor but clean Wed Jul 21, 2004 00:28

Aw just because your tiny brain doesn't like investigative journalism and facts.

The story was also covered in the Irish News, Gardais Lennon and McMahon, admitted being on FRU's payroll.

by rooster Tue Jul 27, 2004 15:40

have the psni or the ruc blew people up or knee capped kids?

by Joe Tue Jul 27, 2004 15:51

Rooster even the prosecution record from the British courts reveals that dozens of murders have been carried out by serving RUC members. Mostly it is true in their other identity as loyalist hit men as they tend to get immunity for murders carried out while in uniform.

by rooster Wed Jul 28, 2004 13:16

prosecution record from the British courts reveals that dozens of murders

how many persons were found guilty in IRA COURTS?
Oh yeah, thats right! They did'nt bother with such niceties, the RUC may not have been perfect all the time but at least they tried.

by brenners Wed Jul 28, 2004 13:47

Rooster,
Your last comment would tend to indicate that you are not too bright, however I will have ago at trying to explain things to you.
The IRA were in engaged in a war, and regardless of whether or not you believe their struggle to be justified that is the facts, they took lives in order to progress their political point of view, they took civilian lives and admitted to the same.
The RUC were meant to be the forces of law and order. They were charged with protecting the rule of law. But instead they systematically acted outside the law, as did the British army. They were involved in many cases were collusion is proven and many members of the British armed forces were sent to jail. One cannot say that you are the guardians of the law while breaking the rules. When the Lord Chief Justice of the 6 counties made the comment that the breaking of the law by UDR members in the early 80’s was understandable he walked all over what it is meant to be. In the words of Margaret Thatcher “Murder is Murder is Murder”, the IRA admit what they did, the British government tries to hide what they have done. Their hands drip with the blood of the innocent. They allowed Stobie, Nelson et al to murder innocent civilians. They allowed them to import guns from South Africa, which were subsequently used in countless murders. In many murders RUC/UDR weapons were used and then reported stolen when ballistic tests proved who the owners where. The RUC are Terrorists, through their security forces and the collusion that took place they terrorised North Belfast and other areas of the 6 counties.
This is FACT.

by Devil Dog Wed Jul 28, 2004 17:53

I really have to love this Provo revisionism - brave, honorable freedom fighters of the IRA engaged in a noble struggle sometimes made mistakes but the security forces are on a par with SS Einsatzgruppen....Bollocks - the IRA wasn't and isn't a legitimate army, most of its victims were civilians and many were killed cos they were Prods....this revisionism might fool some college students who are too young to remember the IRA's atrocities but please don't expect it to fool everyone.

by Brenners Wed Jul 28, 2004 18:14

I am not involved in revisionism. On the contrary I freely admit what the IRA did. The fact is, and the double standards are that the British government are prepared to call those who killed innocent’s terrorists while failing to acknowledge their crimes.

On your second point, i.e. the IRA where not involved in a war. When you are treated as second class citizens, denied jobs, have your house burnt by Loyalists with the support of the police, see hundreds of your fellow people locked up with out trial, even though nearly all where innocent. Watch as the British Government torture them in palace barracks. Sit back while the army kills 11 civilians on Aug 9th 1971, Bloody Sunday.
Not only was the armed struggle justified; there was nothing else these people could do.

by Devil Dog Wed Jul 28, 2004 18:20

See an opinion at odds with your own and claim a lack of knowledge.

Where did I say the IRA wasn't involved in a war?

by Brenners Wed Jul 28, 2004 18:49

You said they were not a legitimate army.
Most intelligent people would therefore reason that you did not feel they were involved in a legitimate war?
Would that not be the obvious conclusion?

by Section 31 is Dead Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:38

I thought this thread was about collusion in the Gardai. Is this not the issue ? because quite frankly I'm bored with the redundant arguments of scum like "Devil Dog" Collusion is an established fact your unwillingness to accept that is as irrelevant as you are. The involvment of the Gardai in collusion is no surprise to republicans but will come as a surprise to a lot of decent people here in the South who bought the establishment media propaganda of the last thirty years. I think it is the fact that the false concensus is now beginning to fall apart that fuels devil's dogshit

by Devil Dog Thu Jul 29, 2004 19:00

That's great, blithely dismissing opposing views as "irrelevant" and "scum", typical of a Provo supporter...very grown up, feel better about yourself now, do you???

Collusion in the Gardai??? How about traitors in the GS who passed info to the scum of the IRA? Going to have inquiries about that, are we?

False Consensus? Which one wd that be, the one where the overwhelming majority of the Irish people opposed the IRA's campaign???SF/IRA weren't too down with democracy in the 80's, were they?

by Sectio 31 is dead Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:43

The way the whole inquiry thing works is that a concensus emerges on the substantive issues to be investigated and presure mounts for an inquiry until it is irresistable. Sinn Fein will not be holding inquiries into anything, the State however, will. A glance at todays newspaper should inform you of what the issues investigated will be, and thus what the agreed substantive issues are.
You are of course free to campaign for an enquiry into whatever you like. I would suggest you first enquire into yourself you are obviously filled with a lot of latent anger and are conflicted having been a pawn in British Propaganda and alligning yourself with treasonous elements in this state.
As for the Irish people they will deliver their judgment on the last thirty years with the benefit of all the facts thanks to what is emerging now. I look forward to a Sinn Fein Government in the very near future.
Tiocfaidh ar La, you better believe it

by rooster Fri Jul 30, 2004 14:43

Rooster,
Your last comment would tend to indicate that you are not too bright, however I will have ago at trying to explain things to you.
The IRA were in engaged in a war,

SO BRENNERS, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, if the IRA was involved in a war, and you admit that they took civilian lives then why can the security forces not prosecute their war in the same way?
Idiots like you howl and weep for people that the security forces go after but at the same time shielding some of the most evil mass murderers in history.

"the IRA admit what they did"
BOLLOX, sin feinn were offered a truth and reconciliation comission but they turned it down, if they admitted what they did, where are the bodies of the DISAPPEARED?

This is FACT.

by Section 31 is Dead Fri Jul 30, 2004 17:12

The I.R.A took innocent life, the British Forces and their pseudo gangs took innocent life. So far were agreed. I fail to see then where your moral argument comes from. Clearly you accept the Brits were involved in the Dirty War as much as anybody else. Thus your pretence at a moral stand must read as a cover for sympathy with one set of protagonists. I would say "Propagandists are Protagonists" but it's been my experience of people like you that you are merely singing for your supper, and have not the moral backbone to back any position which would weigh any heavier than a feather opoun your shoulders. The Republican Movement will no doubt have to turn you down for membership in the not to distant future

by Nordie Fri Jul 30, 2004 18:05

'False Consensus? Which one wd that be, the one where the overwhelming majority of the Irish people opposed the IRA's campaign???SF/IRA weren't too down with democracy in the 80's, were they?'

Q.But so may nations went to war in Iraq against the wishes of their majority population.

A.Thats different beacuse they were democratic governments.

Q.But surely they should have listened to the majority of the population then if they were democratic, esp when it came to such important matters as war?

A.No. Because they're Western democracies then majority decisions don't matter.

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Do you see where we're headed for?

by Devil Dog Fri Jul 30, 2004 18:21

So we're to have governement by opinion poll, is that it?

How about if people in a democracy want to go to war, is that hunky dory then?

Finally, you can compare the liberation of Iraq with the IRA's squalid sectarian campaiign all you want, won't bother me.

S 31 - Thanks for the analysis of my psychological problems, what are your rates? If you're cheaper than my therapist, then you're the boy for me....Maybe you can get rid of my West Brit, Quisling , Conor Cruise O'Brien/Kevin Myers loving attitudes with the help of some lit cigarettes, a bath tub full of water and a 9mm pill in the back of my head?

by Al Sat Jul 31, 2004 02:36

How about traitors in the GS who passed info to the scum of the IRA? Going to have inquiries about that, are we?
Probable not seen as the Gardai are not hand in hand friends with these scum, regardless of what some will say. Bad apples in every barrel but dont throw away the barrel.

by Section 31 is Dead Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:10

You dont need to go anywhere for your treatment. You have correctly diagnosed the problem and reccomended a most excellent course of therepy. I,l gladly supply the medicine but I will have to ask you to administer it yourself.

by Devil Dog Sun Aug 01, 2004 18:18

Plus ca change...

by ned Mon Sep 13, 2004 01:42

, if the IRA was involved in a war, and you admit that they took civilian lives then why can the security forces not prosecute their war in the same way?
Idiots like you howl and weep for people that the security forces go after but at the same time shielding some of the most evil mass murderers in history.