Al Qaeda airs Saeed al-Ghamidi tape

by Lone Gunman Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:04

You didnt get picked up by the CIA or other men in black then?[See James adventures in Castletownebere and the USS Sullivans]. Either you arent important enough to waste time on or you are just in the "nuts and flakes to keep an eye on" list. Good job we live in some form of "democracy".Where it is unlikely that you will disapper in the night and fog.If you had been in some workers paradise or tin pot dictatorship ,well.. Intresting post on the minds of a religious fanatic[not you,James :]]and the single mindedness of these people.

BTW Is there any PROOF of the statement that Flite 19 was shot down by F16? considering that on US airbases there was nothing armed for air to air combat for appx 6 hours until after the towers came down?And it takes appx two to three hours in peace time to tool up a F16.Also who issued the orders to down the plane?whoever it was was Really putting his asson the line to do that.Somthing like that has to come down from either the Prez or Sec of state. Also what are these documents about the plan to invade Iraq that you or Osama refer to?

by ??? Sat Sep 13, 2003 14:06

Did Osama bin Laden Get a "Nip and Tuck" On the Run? Inquiring Minds Want to Know.
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/09/11_osama.html

by iosaf ipsiphi Sat Sep 13, 2003 14:20

This week's tragic death in Cancun WTO together with the global resolve that the anniversary of September 11th no longer be used by the USA to justify it's imperialism throughout the world brought several linked news items from Al Jazeera and Reuters.
Both yesterday issued conflicting statements on the young man alledgedly photographed above Mr al-Ghamidi.
The USA propaganda machine issued statements from the CIA confirming consolidation evidence of the identity of the hijackers of US civilian aircraft prior to the 2001 terrorist event. The CIA also confirmed that the voices on the last tapes issued through Al Jazeera match the voice records of Sheik Osama Yussef Haj Bin Laden.

My counterpoint is this, I first posted it a year ago on a Sunday, and it was ignored by most, it is an excerpt from an interview with an Islamic professor and double doctorate in jurisprudence and theology.
Dr. Prof. Abdallah Haj Dumbuya.

African Islamic Professor Condemns Terrorism, Praises Muslim Charitable Organizations
Professor Doctor Abdallah Dumbuya, a Gambian scholar with a double Doctorate degree in Islamic Jurisprudence and Sciences, has strongly condemned organisations and groups using Islam as a justification for terrorism and violence.

The Islamic intellectual stated that in Islam "to kill innocent people is haram" [forbidden].

"The super powers should try by all means to stop terrorism immediately," the scholar said, asserting that any terrorist captured should be killed or jailed for life. "If they kill innocent people, they should be killed, if they do not kill but threaten with violence, they should be jailed for up to twenty years or more," he said.

According to Professor Dumbuya, both the Sharia (Islamic law) and Western law agree on the legalities involved in meting out punishment to perpetrators of terrorism.

Dumbuya intimated that although there is more media attention generated by so-called Muslim terrorists, there has been other development oriented Islamic philanthropists who have contributed to mankind. In a bid to give a contrast to Osama Bin Laden's personality he mentioned Sheikh Adina Basalama a Saudi Arabian Muslim cleric whom, he said, is not into terrorism but the development of poor people around the world. "Sheikh Basalama has helped to build schools and mosques in several countries, he has helped spread positive Islamic education to the world community," the professor explained.

Professor Dumbuya also mentioned Salem Bashanfer whom he said is another Saudi cleric very active in helping needy Muslims and underprivileged communities. He also mentioned Mohammed Hassem Sheikh Asheem Barakat and Abdallah Omar Ba Nkhar all Saudi clerics helping needy Muslims "not with guns, or violence."

On the question of State House Imam Fatty's statement that the US government should be blamed for the attack because of their policies, Professor Dumbuya refused to comment, claiming that only "half educated Muslims will support terrorism."

"I am a doctorate, I do not consider half educated people who support terrorism in Islam because they do not know the Quran or the hadith," he said.

He advised Gambians and non-Gambians to be "careful about terrorism," saying that people "who support terrorism will not get any help from the outside world." He called on The Gambia Government to make Islamic knowledge a subject in all the schools in The Gambia, and that Islamic teachers should be given priority in the Department of Education, pointing out that The Gambia is ninety-nine percent Islam.

He called on privileged Muslims to help Imams and Islamic teachers because "they are leading prayers without salary."

"I am asking the people to recognise the dignity of Imams, they are great people in Islam," he appealed.

Profession Dumbuya said that Imams have no other work except leading the Muslim communities "so they should be helped."

He called on schools to encourage their pupils to speak more English instead of vernacular, which he says will not be good for their education." "I met over hundred students of St. Augustine's and Gambia High School recently and they were all speaking vernacular (local languages). I asked them if they are taught in vernacular," Dumbuya said.

He said he contacted a teacher who told him students from Banjul and the Kombos usually fail English objective examinations while their counterparts in the Provinces are known for doing very well in the subject.

Professor Dumbuya commended Citizen FM radio station for their objective reporting, and called on international donor agencies to help the station establish a private television station in The Gambia.

The Islamic scholar roundly condemned the practice of calling the Azzan (early morning prayers) 4 O'clock at night, saying that it is unislamic.

"It is haram to make the Azzan at 4 O'clock when prayers take place at 6 O'clock." "In Islam, the first call should be 45 to 50 minutes before the prayers, and the call should only be twice," he said. He advised Muslims to know that the Azzan is only made two times and it should not be made several times as is the practice. He also condemned the practice of radio stations playing the early morning call repeatedly, as well as playing recordings on amplified speakers.

Professor Dumbuya has an International Doctorate in International Islamic Science, in the High Institute of Religion Principles, Ezzitouna Faculty of Theology, University of Tunis. He also holds another Doctorate degree in Jurisprudence and Legal Policy, and the Provisions of Muslim Law Concerning Children. He has spent up to twenty-one years in his academic pursuit in Tunisia and has undertaken numerous researches in the Arab world. He also works with an international Islamic charitable organisation as adviser.

According to the Professor, his charitable organisation will help The Gambia. "We intend to do a lot of help for Gambia, we have great intentions," he promised. Professor Dumbuya is presently here in The Gambia on a short leave.


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This article originally appeared in The Independent, Banjul, The Gambia, West Africa, October 26, 2001.


related link: http://www.islamfortoday.com/gambia4.htm

it was originally posted as comment 23 to article "Pax Americana" published Nov24 imc irl.
I ask editors for the ease of users to leave this C/P from our previous articles here as I've left it. We shall soon move to a debate on "Al Jihad" as part of our increased understanding of the Occupations of Palestine and Iraq in this forthcoming year.
Last year's Campaign it might now be thought spent "_too much time & space_" dwelling on Western Defence and Energy Concerns and the convenient spectre of Saddam.

We shall end the occupation of Palestine.
We shall end the occupation of Iraq.

by caspian Sun Sep 14, 2003 01:49

For Allah's sake, not one piece of Arabic DNA was found at the Twin Towers site. Arabs had nothing to do with the controlled demolition of the twin towers. Israel did it.

Just like Pearl Harbour, the Bilderberg cunts needed an excuse to take over the middle east on behalf of the Israelis so they blew up the twin towers. Do any of you eejits who read this ever look at other websites? Check out for starters...."What Really Happened.com" and then get back to me.
Can't you see what is going on?
Don't let them fob you off with the old canard that that anyone who sees things in a different light is a conspiracy theorist. "Chuckle, chuckle."
Never mind the bin tax. Can't you see what these people are doing to our planet?

by Lone Gunman Sun Sep 14, 2003 03:07

The theory that Isreal was behind 9/11.However it would be one hell of a gamble by Isreal to do that sort of a mission.Imagine if it had backfired.What would the Middle East look like today?Call them what you may but the Isrealis are no fools.The US is their main supplier of monies and armaments ,and it would be very foolish for them to risk all that goodwill for a gain of what?Not to mind killing off a good number of their own religion . Considering that a "controlled demolition" is a bit hard to achive with crashing aircraft into tall buildings.
Wouldn't it have been easier to have repeated the first attack,knowing where to correctly place the truck bombs to bring the towers down in a then definately controlled explosion,with an assuredly higher body count?

by File Sun Sep 14, 2003 09:58

This is a good site that covers all the theories and evidence. It concludes Flight 93 was most likely shot down.

by iosaf Sun Sep 14, 2003 13:15

In so doing you show prejudice and ignorance.
Pray tell what is "arabic DNA"?
Is that like mycochondrial DNA?
If you may believe that "most people" don't think about the "north/south" divide in Ireland, how come you can't pronounce Caoimhe?
The link is to all articles that "Caspian" has disrupted in the last week.

by iosaf Sun Sep 14, 2003 13:20

that one of my favourite students in the academic term 2001-2002 was a member of the forensic pathology team who excavated bodies in Gautemala, Spain, Chile and Mexico. She could be considered an expert on identification issues of bodies which had been mutilated or burnt to hamper investigation, work for which she got a UN posting.
DNA is destroyed completely at temperatures above 500ºC. There are over 500 (estimated) human remains which can not be indentified with current technology and these remains are being interred at ground zero.

by Caspian Mon Sep 15, 2003 01:26

Am I causing you some distress, Iosapan?
Odd that none of the Arab hijackers remains have been identified and yet at least three of them called various media the next day to say they were alive and well. Not so sure they are alive and well now if Mossad got hold of their addresses.
Odd too, wasn't it, that one of the hijackers passports was found in the rubble undamaged? That paper document somehow survived the 500 degrees fireball. Odd that.
Odd too that the same demolition company that hauled away the rubble of the Oklahoma bombing was used to clear the site in New York. None of the iron girders were kept for forensic investigation. Very odd.
Extremely odd too that there were no bodies found at the Pentagon crash site and there was no baggage, suitcases etc strewn around the crash site.
Check out "What Really Happened.com"

You seem to be never off this site so does that make you more of a troll than me? What are you doing sitting at a keyboard in a darkened room at midday on a beautiful day like Sunday was?

by iosaf Mon Sep 15, 2003 14:02

You wrote before your comment was deleted that no "arabic DNA was found", I correctly point out that no such concept exists. DNA is DNA, there is no such thing as Catholic DNA, intelligent DNA, troll DNA, black DNA or even jewish DNA.
I also wrote that DNA is destroyed at over 500ºC.
The ignition temp for paper is generally at a little over 500ªF. you do the conversion. Without direct flame a passports will and often do survive infernos.
I don't object to any "revisiting of the facts" but I do insist all are placed on the table without prejudice.
so:
The only group to admit responsibility for the September 11 attack between Sept 11 and Sept 16 was a defunct japanese ultra right grouping.