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Major Debate on how to Oppose Neoliberalism
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2004-10-05T12:43:47+00:00
Indymedia Ireland
imc-ireland@lists.indymedia.ie
http://www.indymedia.ie/atomfullposts?story_id=66871
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Can someone explain why the S.W.P. are not involved
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88281
2004-10-05T12:43:47+00:00
uncle joe
???
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88286
2004-10-05T13:36:45+00:00
seedot
did you look at the timetable? The SWP are co-hosting a workshop on the Sunday w...
did you look at the timetable? The SWP are co-hosting a workshop on the Sunday with the WSM about movements and parties. AEIP (which I believe may include some SWP members ;) is doing a workshop on the Saturday about the ESF. SWP members have attended planning meetings for both this and the previous ISF.
why so quiet?
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88288
2004-10-05T13:50:09+00:00
Ping
Why was this not advertised before. Looks like fairly interesting line up but di...
Why was this not advertised before. Looks like fairly interesting line up but didn't hear much chat about it so far. no posters or stickers about at all
why no posters
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88314
2004-10-05T15:42:51+00:00
liz
keykiet at yahoo dot com
few reasons. one is that we're way behind on publicity but we now have loads of...
few reasons. one is that we're way behind on publicity but we now have loads of posters & fliers & are putting them around cafes, colleges etc.<br />
get in touch if you want some.<br />
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another problem is that due to a very dodgy dublin litter act which needs to be repealed non-election posters put up in the city get taken down by the corporation almost immediately. <br />
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we are relying on word of mouth & everybody posting the invite & schedule on mailing lists so please help with this. it's already on sustainable ireland & community exchange.<br />
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see you there.
Mary Murphy on Alternatives?
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88428
2004-10-06T14:30:02+00:00
Finglas Flyer
Would this be the same Cllr. Mary Murphy of Labour who has refused to participat...
Would this be the same Cllr. Mary Murphy of Labour who has refused to participate in any way in the Anti Bin Tax Campaign in Finglas, which is one of the strongest and broadest ( includes SF, SP,ISN and independent activists) in the City? Would it be the same Cllr. Murphy who said absolutely nothing when eight Finglas residents were jailed last year for participating in temporary blockades of bin trucks? Or maybe its the same Cllr. Murphy who, with her labour colleagues , made a pact with Fine Gael and the PDs on Dublin City Council.<br />
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Im all for free speech and sure let us hear how people like cllr. Murphy justifies their anti-activism/grassroots politics but please dont insult our intelligence by implying that this darling of the current Labour leadership is in some way involved in any grassroots struggle against neo-liberalism!
Mary who?
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88466
2004-10-06T17:33:34+00:00
The Identifier
Those looking to put a face to the name, can find Mary as the new pin-up of Capi...
Those looking to put a face to the name, can find Mary as the new pin-up of Capitalist Labour. <br />
No, that's her to the left (pictorally speaking) of Kim Il Rabbitte on the front of his new tome for insomniacs.
re: "another world is almost here"
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88495
2004-10-07T01:10:30+00:00
iosaf
I've checked my records and the candidates for "other world almost here" have no...
I've checked my records and the candidates for "other world almost here" have not moved un-neccesarily in recent times, the asteroid Tutatis did pass within 4 lunar distances at 13h40 GMT on the 28th of September. Being the closest any minor planetary body has come to the Earth apart from the Moon of course but we are used to that. <br />
Tutatis is shaped like a cashewnut and is about 4 kilometres long. <br />
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So- <br />
"another world has just gone past" ©®<br />
might be more appropriate.<br />
i'll let you have solidarity rates :-) for that one.
How can people be so out of this world?
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88548
2004-10-07T17:27:55+00:00
normal citizen
"A debate on how best to oppose the forces of neoliberalism and global capitalis...
"A debate on how best to oppose the forces of neoliberalism and global capitalism" ...my guess is that all they can come up with is just another meaningless demonstration. And next year they will have this same debate all over again.......<br />
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These people are talking about revolution, most of them dont even know what it means because they are just stupid naive schoolkids. "Lets do revolution", "Ok, but not today, i have to go home help my mom".<br />
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None of them would have the guts to take firearms and actually do what they say. All they do is talk, talk and talk some more... <br />
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Eventually 98% of these kids will grow up to be normal citizens. When they are 60 they can remember their youth "how stupid was i back then?" I could have used the time i spent planning meaningless demonstrations and non-exist revolution to something positive.<br />
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I would really like to see these anarchist or what ever they call themselves to pick up their guns and actually try somekind of revolution. It would be massacre. No more anarchists.
after ISF- how best the network can develop
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88644
2004-10-08T14:04:14+00:00
dunk
bellow is awaiting editorial approval on ISF website
local social fora will ...
bellow is awaiting editorial approval on ISF website<br />
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local social fora will continue to happen but can we develop a global network with todays continoully growing technology more of the planets people can participate in the global social fora<br />
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the ESF happens the week after the ISF and for various reasons* an alternative ESF festival has been created at the same time. <br />
we here in dublin might be participating in these processes without having to travel to london<br />
irish media activists will participate in the (alt) ESF and attempts have been made for those unable to get to london from dublin, or wherever in the world, who still want to be filled in or even participate in the social forum process, to be able to do so<br />
heres whats going on<br />
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an (alt)ESF live feed system, at one stage looked likely to happen with london, dublin, seattle all being connected together. now theres no talk of it here in ireland, that im aware of.<br />
maybe its still possible, hopefully it will happen<br />
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anyway, as attempted before i was hoping that there could be 2 or more way hook ups including webstreams or/ and webconferencing type systems- i talked with imc crew here in ireland and for the most part they do not seem to be in favour of this type of system and feel it could not benefit things in anyway. i firmly disagree with this and am working on this in thesis (architecture)<br />
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at one imc-ie meeting here there was a rough agreement that webcams at either end and streaming stuff from the alternative ESF was a possibility that at least we could or would try. <br />
some imc ireland will be over there in london next weekend and the rest will be here<br />
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when talking with some imc-ie crew they said that some of the uk groups were streaming/ webcasting stuff and doing live radio (local or on the net im not sure)<br />
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the convergence festival is still on in irlend also next weekend, they gave us a rough agreement of a space to do this "experiment" for a few hours on sunday, but seeing as saturday would perhaps be the better day due to stuff happening in london it could be changed to suit you london.<br />
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so im puttin this out still with the hope that we can set an above type system up<br />
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imc-ie is 3 next month<br />
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this was guts of email sent to <br />
imc-uk, imc-esf, imc-ie<br />
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slán libh<br />
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dunk<br />
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link that was attempting this system<br />
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<a href="http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=66496&search_text=esf%20live%20feed">http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=66496&search_text=esf%20live%20feed</a><br />
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and later <br />
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imc'istas - indymedia united kollectives, got back to us here<br />
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<a href="http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=66668&search_text=social%20forum">http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=66668&search_text=social%20forum</a><br />
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mainly that the structure of the ESF is not working with the "charter of principals" layed out in brazil after world social forum<br />
many well respected groups including indymedia london (and most uk-imc`s) and london social forum
link to (alt) ESF website
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88649
2004-10-08T14:23:06+00:00
dunk
sorry should have been above
Unofficial ESF website:
http://www.esf2004.net ...
sorry should have been above<br />
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Unofficial ESF website:<br />
<a href="http://www.esf2004.net">http://www.esf2004.net</a> <br />
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and other useful<br />
LINKS AND CONTACTS:<br />
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IMC Media Centre organising wiki website:<br />
<a href="http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkImcEsf">http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkImcEsf</a><br />
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Indymedia mailing list:<br />
<a href="http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-esf">http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-esf</a><br />
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EFCR website:<br />
<a href="http://www.efcr2004.net">http://www.efcr2004.net</a><br />
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EFCR contact:<br />
info@(nospamplease)efcr2004.net<br />
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Indymedia UK Network:<br />
<a href="http://www.indymedia.org.uk">http://www.indymedia.org.uk</a><br />
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Autonomous Spaces and Initiatives:<br />
<a href="http://www.altspaces.net">http://www.altspaces.net</a><br />
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Official ESF website:<br />
<a href="http://www.fse-esf.org">http://www.fse-esf.org</a><br />
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Unofficial ESF website:<br />
<a href="http://www.esf2004.net">http://www.esf2004.net</a> <br />
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Location + Maps of Camden Centre, Alexandra Palace and other Spaces:<br />
<a href="http://www.altspaces.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?pagename=Main.SpacesTravel">http://www.altspaces.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?pagename=Main.SpacesTravel</a><br />
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Previous Media Labs: <br />
<a href="http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/DiyMediaLabs">http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/DiyMediaLabs</a>
re "anarchy and revolution"
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment88891
2004-10-11T12:50:03+00:00
dunk
dear normal citizen
i too am a "normal citizen" (whatever that means)
many bel...
dear normal citizen<br />
i too am a "normal citizen" (whatever that means)<br />
many believe we are going through a paradigm shift in society due to recent breaktroughs in science, mainly the technical ability to look into the structure of the atom in the 1920`s. this change has sparked paradigm shifts in other areas of society and civilisation<br />
a result of this are new "open" spaces emerging for the free discussion of what way this world is working and how it can be improved on<br />
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anarchy perhaps might be the utopia, but maybe its unrealistic as the world stands at present. i have never considered myself an anarchist and have always used my vote.<br />
i work with and respect a lot of people and their ideas, creativity, passion, intelligence who claim to be anarchists- i gladly work with them when it makes sense as the most creative and fun way to attempt to bring about change<br />
im an architect and one of the greatest architects of the modern movement, alvar aalto from fiinland was an anarchist throughout his life, he fought in first world war too<br />
i like george monbiots proposal, who also was an anarchist for a long time but who now is not, he is proposing the end of nation state democracys and the wish for one global democracy for the one species of human on the one planet. it makes sense<br />
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re revolution, <br />
when the polish monk copernicus wrote his book in the 14th century? "concerning the movements of the revolutionary orbits" he proposed a massive idea: <br />
the earth is not the centre of the universe, the sun is, and earth merely revolves around the sun<br />
this took a few hundred years to be accepted, and galileo eventually proved it through science that happened due to his development of kids toys, lenses, into a telescope.<br />
we, human species, now take it for granted that we do indeed go around the sun. but the story has developed. we live in a strange universe. thats life<br />
for me the "revolutionary" act is allowing yourself do drop your baggage and feel alive from this there is no need for guns and violence, perhaps im naive here?<br />
im a pacifist, i love the life<br />
ahimsa is the jain word for non-violence, its thousands of years old, gandhi took it on as his non violent action<br />
"action" is an artistic, political, social, spiritual thing all at the same time for me.<br />
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humour and creativity are stronger tools than violence<br />
we, humanity, are once again talking with and listening to each other. social forum allow for that and encourage it, everyone can have their say, there are no leaders of this movement, just the dedicated few who work at it to make it happen becuase they believe in it- thanks to them<br />
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if life is allowed to continue as its going at present, our species will be killed. therefor we live in an insane age as we go against the fundamental process of life: attempting to sustain life. neoliberalism is the chief system that is driving this insane oil guzzling, kyoto agreement ripping up, racist, unfair trade ruling system. therefor something has to change<br />
informing the worlds population is the task we must engage in. and its already happening<br />
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so normal citizen come along next time, bring your kids, meet the rest of the normal citizens<br />
speak out without your anonymity, make friends, have a laugh and keep life alive<br />
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FUSPEY film number 1 (34 seconds)<br />
<a href="http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2003/06/273076.wmv">http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2003/06/273076.wmv</a><br />
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orange wig, tux wearing, "non violent action for better world" placard wearing, frontline luasca dancing gobsheen @ mayday 04 duboin demo<br />
<a href="http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=64799&search_text=facts%20vs%20facts">http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=64799&search_text=facts%20vs%20facts</a><br />
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black blanket- art as political act, grassroots style with grannies and babies<br />
<a href="http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=65270#comment80308">http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=65270#comment80308</a><br />
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indymedia feedback <br />
<a href="http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=66327#comment85738">http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=66327#comment85738</a><br />
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"It's like Germany in the 1930s, except this time it going global!"<br />
FBI Seizes IMC Servers in the UK<br />
<a href="http://easa.antville.org/stories/941049/">http://easa.antville.org/stories/941049/</a><br />
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living<br />
<a href="http://easa.antville.org/stories/935634/">http://easa.antville.org/stories/935634/</a><br />
(here you will find story and links to paradigm shift, eco cities, art and culture as political tools, ancient irish thinking, sex and sinners)<br />
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FUSPEY site (fun, sustainable, peaceful, existence)<br />
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/fuspey/">http://www.geocities.com/fuspey/</a><br />
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huge thanks to ISF/ DUBLIN SF working team<br />
sorry for not helping enough, feedback is essential for healthy living systems, there was not enough of it at wrapup of ISF2<br />
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the SOCIAL is improving<br />
bottom line is its mostly a really enjoyable funny passionate creative crowd to get to know
radio reports from ESF
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/66871#comment89490
2004-10-16T15:47:46+00:00
dunk
you can listen to radio report of stuff so far from (alt) ESF from here:
Http:/...
you can listen to radio report of stuff so far from (alt) ESF from here:<br />
Http://radio.indymedia.org:8000/rampART (case sensitive).<br />
"What's happened to Rampart radio?"<br />
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<a href="http://rampart.omxtra.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3&forum=2&post_id=13#forumpost13">http://rampart.omxtra.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3&forum=2&post_id=13#forumpost13</a>